The Provisional House

I told Michael that I can’t imagine Alessia giving birth to a bunch of minotaur babies. He returned, a few minutes later, with this little baby Belharza. 
Now I totally can.  View Larger

I told Michael that I can’t imagine Alessia giving birth to a bunch of minotaur babies. He returned, a few minutes later, with this little baby Belharza. 

Now I totally can



Reman-era copy of an early Alessian Order icon in the motif of Paravant Enthroned with Progeny. Although the style of this icon is nothing special, the subject is nearly unique: the depiction of the infant the Belharza as a minotaur was outlawed circa 1E 450, leading to the destruction of thousands of artworks. Today, in the fourth era, few citizens remember the taurine origin of their most cherished dragonborn bloodline.
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Reman-era copy of an early Alessian Order icon in the motif of Paravant Enthroned with Progeny. Although the style of this icon is nothing special, the subject is nearly unique: the depiction of the infant the Belharza as a minotaur was outlawed circa 1E 450, leading to the destruction of thousands of artworks. Today, in the fourth era, few citizens remember the taurine origin of their most cherished dragonborn bloodline.


I'm so glad to see Argonians being discussed as they are one of the most overlooked races yet still very interesting lore-wise. Real live reptiles are weird and varied, why can't Tamriel reptilians be? There are lizards that practice parthinogenesis, a species of lizard in Australia is developing a mammalian uterus as we speak, etc (they've found that its reproductive system is slowly becoming more mammalian and adapted for live birth). from pixieboy01
Generally speaking, reptiles keep their genitals tucked inside their body until it’s mating time, so most likely you wouldn’t be able to tell what sort of naughty bits of an Argonian you were looking at anyway.

Posting both of these together because I know next to nothing about non-mammalian biology and all of this is really, really interesting to me. Also, scary.

I really want to get a game set in Black Marsh (perhaps a spin-off Adventure title, so that we don’t have to spend as much time on the pesky letting everyone play anything thing) so that we can more fully explore all these things. Between having the different genders differentiated solely by coloration and having the type of birth determined by environment (both discussed during Morrowind’s development), and having a language that doesn’t have a concept of time (mentioned in the Infernal City), they’re one hell of a race. 


I’m splitting this post by eslore into a new thread. 

eslore:

I have to point out something, for validity’s sake: I am skeptical of what Lady Nerevar says about the Argonians in Morrowind. I have seen no proof of this, though it is plausible. The two references given are also not valid (one proves nothing, and the other is a reference to her own writing).

My argument against such an idea: there are many Argonians who have never been near Hist sap, however they are not sexless. Considering this, I would say that the idea is merely rumor.

I would like to hear more of this idea, though. Perhaps there is more evidence?

First of, that book I linked isn’t my own writing - it’s a book from ESO. It says “submitted by Lady N” because I’m the one that uploaded it to the Library. The Imperial Library does not include any fan writings outside of the Forum Scholar’s Guild. 

Here are various sources for Hist determining Argonian bodies (starting with the two I linked earlier):

Myths and Legends of the Hist (ESO)

It is said that when a Saxhleel emerges from juvenescence, it finds a nearby Hist tree to lick sap from its bole. The elements in the sap quicken the hormonal glands, which sprout appropriate organs from which the Argonian’s gender can be determined. Immediately afterward, an appropriate mate is found and reproduction occurs. 

Traveling-New-Woman (MW) again refers to a licking ceremony.

Post by Mark Nelson, of Bethesda, referencing the connection, as well as the Hist’s ability to alter the Argonian reproductive system in general:

There has been talk about how the Hist (and Hist sap) are related to Argonian sexuality. This hasn’t changed…it’s still related. 

Never underestimate the adaptability of Argonians, or, more specifically, the power of the Hist to allow Argonians to adapt.

I wouldn’t expect to hear an Argonian born in Skyrim (or on Solstheim, for that matter) mention being hatched. Nor would I expect to hear more transient Argonians (say, members of a small, nomadic tribe) speak about laying eggs. However, in warmer climates, in places with established, stable, and permanent communities, you would likely see a great number of eggs.

GT Noonan, also of Bethesda, on the Hist’s ability to change Argonian bodies:

They may range from either a very humanlike appearance to a crocodile-like appearance. I guess it depends on how many times they decide to lick the tree (refer to the PGE).

Douglass Goodall, yet again of Bethesda, teasing the relationship:

No comment on the exact relationship between the Hist and the Argonian reproductive cycle, but it’s cool. 

The in-game Morrowind description of the Argonian race: 

At home in water and on land, the Argonians of Black Marsh are well-suited to the treacherous swamps of their homeland, with natural immunities protecting them from disease and poison. The female life-phase is highly intelligent, and gifted in the magical arts. The more aggressive male phase has the traits of the hunter: stealth, speed, and agility. Argonians are reserved with strangers, yet fiercely loyal to those they accept as friends.

Dominion Troops General Order 719a (ESO) includes another vague reference:

The tree has something to do with their mating rituals and life-cycle, so that is understandable.

As for why we don’t see any sexless Argonians: gameplay. Perhaps if we get a game set entirely in Black Marsh, Bethesda would be able to devote the resources necessary to depicting Argonian life phases and physiology in detail. But then again, maybe we’ve already seen Argonians without genitals, but didn’t know it?



Satak was First Serpent, the Snake who came Before, and all the worlds to come rested in the glimmer of its scales. 

(Felt like doing something fancier today. Original Satakal visual development credit goes to Lutemoth) View Larger

Satak was First Serpent, the Snake who came Before, and all the worlds to come rested in the glimmer of its scales. 

(Felt like doing something fancier today. Original Satakal visual development credit goes to Lutemoth)


LGBT in the Elder Scrolls

jamwasp:

ladynerevar:

The question of LGBT people in TES comes up rather frequently, so I thought I’d try to put together a list of specific characters and references. Please note that characters who are not on this list may still be LGBT - this list isn’t supposed to be a detailing of everyone’s sexuality or gender identity (most people in TES never mention either), but rather one of specific textual references to LGBT individuals.

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While I’m sure you have good intentions, I feel like the original list is misleading.  People have a tendency to assume that a few gay jokes and maybe one or two mentions of a character being LGBT equates to “WHOA look at how many LGBT characters we have.  We’re doing pretty great!”  Whereas I’m over here and I’m thinking, “Well, alright, I guess we have a few tablescraps and most of them are jokes or tragic gays, but maybe it won’t be so bad if I develop them in my head to make up for the complete lack of development in canon.”

It was never my intention to make judgements about the quality of each character, or of the representation of LGBT individuals in TES in general. I think people can do that for themselves, as you have done. The intention of my post was merely to point out that these characters exist, which many people don’t know to begin with. 

I will go back and edit the post to make this clearer. 


Where does it say/imply that Sotha Sil is bisexual? from Anonymous

Woops, forgot to source that one. It’s been fixed (along with some other general wording adjustments for clarity).

You’re looking for the very first paragraph in Sermon 12:

As the Hortator pondered the first lesson of ruling kings, Vivec wandered into the Mourning Hold and found that Ayem was with a pair of lovers. Seht had divided himself again. 

I suppose you could argue that having sex with a clone of yourself isn’t homosexual, but I’m going to assume that anyone who would do it isn’t 100% straight. 


LGBT in the Elder Scrolls

The question of LGBT people in TES comes up rather frequently, so I thought I’d try to put together a list of specific characters and references. Please note that characters who are not on this list may still be LGBT - this list isn’t supposed to be a detailing of everyone’s sexuality or gender identity (most people in TES never mention either), but rather one of specific textual references to LGBT individuals. Neither does being on this list imply that the character is a good representation or a role model. This is merely a list of sources - the analysis remains up to you. 

Please do add to this list, since I’m sure I’ve missed some (especially from ESO)

Daggerfall

The Jokes book qips about homosexuality in the Khajiiti navy

Morrowind

Vivec is an intersex, gender fluid, pansexual God. 

Sotha Sil, another God, is bisexual

"Uncle" Crassius Curio hits on everyone indiscriminately

Argonians are sexless at birth, with their sex being determined by how often they lick the Hist tree. This means that they can (and do) change their biological sex throughout their lives.

Oblivion

Ahzirr Trajijazaeri, a Khajiiti text, encourages homo- and bisexuality

Viranus Dolton and Eduard Hodge 

Dumac Gro-Bonk in Shivering Isles

Pelinal is implied to be homosexual

Skyrim

Bjorrnolf and Hrodulf in the Dragonborn expansion.

ESO

Bameli the Pure

Hadrill Diina

Jakarn flirts with both genders

Arlie Edrald is in love with both her male suitor, Fredrick, and her female maid, Dulkhi. One possible ending to the quest implies that they will have a polyamorous relationship. 

Makes-Many-Waves and Sendrasa Llarys in Freedom’s Price

Goveled Herendas

Captain Linwen and Faenir

Hartmin and Mirilir



He wandered to find Vivec, his lord and master, the glory of the image of Veloth, and found him of all places in the Temple of False Thinking. There, clockwork shears were taking off Vivec’s hair. A beggar king had brought his loom and was making of the hair an incomplete map of adulthood and death.
Nerevar said, ‘Why are you doing this, milord?’
Vivec said, ‘To make room for the fire.’


(I like the idea, but the execution got botched. I’ll definitely be trying this one again when it’s not 2 in the morning. With 100% more clockwork shears.) View Larger

He wandered to find Vivec, his lord and master, the glory of the image of Veloth, and found him of all places in the Temple of False Thinking. There, clockwork shears were taking off Vivec’s hair. A beggar king had brought his loom and was making of the hair an incomplete map of adulthood and death.

Nerevar said, ‘Why are you doing this, milord?’

Vivec said, ‘To make room for the fire.

(I like the idea, but the execution got botched. I’ll definitely be trying this one again when it’s not 2 in the morning. With 100% more clockwork shears.)


Elder Scrolls Online, Murkmire concept art. Again, I’ve not yet seen this make it’s tumblr rounds. Even if you’re not the ESO sort, this is some mighty pretty art.